Letters About Parking

Letter from Jeff Lee
Subject: Daily Rider #3

I don't see how motorcycles can ever be allowed to legally park on any side-walks. Either it's a parking spot or it's a walkway. Official approval from the law is not likely or necessary. If motorcycles are unofficially allowed to park on the sidewalk because it is not causing any problems and the law is not being enforced, we should just leave it at that and just try to be considerate of oth-ers when we park on the sidewalk.

Mark F. Rager's problem with his boss (Daily Rider #3) seems like a case that should be taken up with a state board of fair labor or employment practices. He may need to consult an attorney to avoid retribution or harassment. The boss can't tell him what to drive or not drive on public streets, but an employ-er can restrict almost anything he wants on a company's private property. However, if Mark is being singled out because he enforced his right to com-pensation for motor vehicle damages, that sounds like it could be unfair and illegal employee harassment in some states. If the boss bans all motorcycles on company property, there's probably not much recourse. If Mark is the only motorcyclist to be restricted, I bet he can make a case against the restriction. Whining about "being denied my freedom of what I love to do and the is ride my motorcycle" in not going to help.

Chris Littleford's problem with his company not reinstating the designated motorcycle parking area should be dealt with by complaining to progressively superior people within the company. They absolutely should have the means to force the person directly in charge of the parking area to put back up the barriers for the designated motorcycle area. Why wouldn't a company be able to force a facilities manager to do his job? We should not so easily start talk-ing about "discrimination" or "any course of action," as if this constitutes a violation of someone's civil rights and we are some victim's rights group. This is primarily an employer/ employee issue and should be approached from the stand that the employer ought to treat each employee fairly and equally to keep them happy and producing good work for the company. If you file a lawsuit against your own company alleging discrimination against motorcycle parking, you might as well start looking for another job because you surely don't have any future at the company.

Chris Littleford's problem and Todd Klingseisen's problem at Land O' Lakes, with insufficient motorcycle parking, can both be dealt with by parking one motorcycle per car space, all together, up front where management can see them, until everyone sees that it is in everyone's best interest to make efficient use of the parking lot by providing sufficient, designated for motorcycles. When they see all the wasted space, it should be easy to suggest a separate, designated area for bikes rather than a special perk for bikers only.

I think you should be very careful about publishing stories like Urban Gorilla. Your personal views on what is entertaining might be detrimental to your cause. Is the purpose of the Daily Rider to express your personal views or is it to advocate and support the use of motorcycles for transportation? Surely you want to garner as much public support as possible.

If you think 'riding is mildly seditious", it is a contradiction to say that "riding for transportation is a social good." Perhaps you meant that some types of rid-ing are mildly seditious, but , overall, "riding for transportation is a social good." Being non-conforming, independent and not entirely politically correct, does not mean that riding a motorcycle is bad or should be discouraged by society. We should focus on the positive aspects of motorcycling, not try to embrace the negatives or distort them into acceptability. Society requires tol-erance to survive.

I don't know how you calculated "about a third of all commuters might find motorcycling to be an acceptable method of getting to and from work if simple adjustments were made," but I think it endangers credibility when you give unsubstantiated figures.

Hi Jeff,
The varied problems between employees and employers over parking are complicated by many things. Each situation is unique. I hesitate to suggest some of the confrontational and legal redress's as an immediate first response to a problem. If, after a year or more of trying some Martin Luther King/ Gandi type responses, then maybe a lawsuit or demonstration might be appropriate. But I'll idealistically continue to hope that the aggrieved riders can get what they want using non confrontational methods. So my replies reflect this bias.

The Daily Rider will continue to be a mixture of RTW advocacy seasoned by the views of many riders, including my own. I liked the Urban Gorilla enough to re-publish it. It was written by another urban motorcyclist and first pub-lished elsewhere. I am sure that there will be more stories and articles from oth-ers. I will always try find stuff that will be good to read and helpful to RTW advocacy, but my personal tastes, perspectives and biases color the process. There is little I can do to mitigate this. I liked Urban Gorilla partly because of the bristling anger that it contained. I actually have on file some stuff that is even more furious than this article.

You understand the 'mildly seditious' line well. From one perspective, to very large group of individuals, it is... and to another smaller group, it is a demon-strable social good. Many activities done differently by a small minority with-in a larger group are mildly seditious to that group. Transportation riding fits the profile, no matter how hyper-legally it is practiced. Do anything that is non mainstream long enough and it becomes somewhat radicalizing. You are a knee slider radical, you know.

I came up with the 'about a third of all commuters' by a process of inductive logic and broad, informal demographic research. In other words, this was a guess. But not a wild guess. A somewhat informed thoughtful guess. And I'll stand by it until someone shows me a better guess. Some factors: Sociobiological research on apes, studies of kinesthetics, existing vehicle type populations and utilization patterns in densely populated areas having high gas prices and little space for automobiles, general population age and demo-graphic curves, studies of secondary school and military athletic aptitudes, studies of the design and appeal of amusement park rides, etc...

Marte wrote:
I ride a Vespa ET-4 scooter. OK, so it doesn't qualify as a motorcycle, but it IS a freeway legal two wheeled vehicle. I'd love to ride it to work every day (and I believe it would qualify for the California rideshare credit if I did). But we have to park in a parking garage across the street.

Two average-sized men can pick up my scooter and move it without much trouble. Add a pickup truck and you've got an instant replay of "Gone in 60 seconds." Every time I mention this to someone, I get "It's insured, isn't it? Ride it anyway." Well--no thanks. I want this scooter, not a replacement, and certainly not what's left of it after some slimeball throws it in the back of a truck.

What kinds of things can be done to persuade employers to provide secure parking for motorcycle and scooter riders?

Hi Marte,
Thank you for your message and comments. Security is a huge problem, more-so for those riding lighter weight machines. The first and best response is to attempt to persuade your employer to offer more secure parking accomidations on a trial basis. Even if this is done on a charge-per-cycle basis. Sometimes a small sectiion of a well watched customer parking area can be dedicated to bikes and scooters. The RTW website contains downloadable materials that can be presented to employers and facility managers to help lobby for this. Sometimes a letter, meeting, luncheon, or... gasp... even a Ride to Work Day demonstration will help an employer understand that they are doing everyone a social good (and not just providing enthusiasts an extra privlege and an excuse to play with their toys). Even if this type of advocacy is initially unsuc-cessful, it can prevail over longer periods of time, so do not give up or stop try-ing.

In the short term, there are a few private security measures that can help. You can leave a cover stashed in a bin or locker positioned near where you park. Same for a chain or cable locking system. Leaving security tools pre-positioned where you will be using them every day is a tremendous convienence. There are also a number of tiny and easy to install alarm systems that will page you if any vibrations or tampering is sensed. And do not forget about the world's oldest security method: find a place to park where you can pay someone to keep their eye on the machine during the hours you need. This can be as sim-ple as giving fifteen dollars a week to someone who sits and works behind a window closely overlooking where you park. Finally, there are a few riders who own a machine that is supposed to be less appealing, specifically for use in hostile enviorments. (This seems like it would be a great plan, but in 1990 I had a rusty 1975 xl 250 stolen from my work. There is no accounting for the tastes of criminals or joyriding kids, I guess. Believe it or not, this bike was later recovered with only a few additional dents, and I still have and ride it.)

Let me know if you make progress.

Rick Bridges wrote:
Fellow Riders,
I ran accross the add for you guys in my last AMA magazine. This is the first that I have heard of you. I applaud your work. I ride to work everyday. I have only missed 5 days since getting my latest bike (1999 XLH 1200) last June. I parked my Yamaha Venture Royal for a rebuild when I bought this one. I will have 10,000 miles on the 1200 this month. This is since June. There are 8 of us that ride here at Convergys out of the 1, 200 employed here. We do have 2 bike parking spots. As I am the only one riding daily I have plen-ty of room. As middle managemnet I wear slacks to work Mon. -Thur. Throw on my chaps and my jacket and I m good to go. Today the temp. is staying around 35 degrees so it is a refreshing ride today.

Gerry Barton wrote: Hi,
Here is an issue in Washington DC.

I rode to work for maybe 20 years before I retired at the end of 1999. There used to be free motorcycle parking at about 25-30 sites around the city. Parking was in 2 up to maybe 6 car slots white-lined for motorcycles. Maybe 10-12 years back they added all day meters to almost all of these sites. Cost was .25 per hour. More recently, maybe 3 years back, the meters were changed to 4 hours max. This makes it difficult for working folks who ride to work. Makes no sense to me, and I am glad that I no longer have to park all day.
Gerry Barton in Northwest DC

Russ Locke wrote:
I thought you might be interested in my two success stories about motorcycle parking:

In 1995, I went to work for Chase Manhattan Bank's credit card operation in Tempe, AZ. I rode to work every day until the temps hit 105, then gave up. But while I was riding, I parked in a little gore area near the crossover to the guard station. There was usually another bike there but one day there were three. And we each had a 'ticket' from the security force for parking three bikes in the space. I guess I over-reacted a bit, but I took on the chief of security over it and I was able to get him to agree that a designated motorcycle parking area would be a good idea. When I transferred to the San Antonio office, there were an average of four bikes parked in the designated space (big enough for at least six.) And I had graduated to riding ALL summer, regardless of temps in the 110s and higher.

Fast forward to Chase San Antonio Operations. On my first day there, I asked where the motorcycle parking was and was told "oh, just pick any vacant space." I explained that I meant a designated space. Nope, nothing like that here. "There will be," I told the guard. A meeting with the facility administra-tor followed and within six months, two parking spaces directly in front of the front doors had been marked for exclusive motorcycle use. On most days, one of my bikes is the only one but on occasion, there is a Harley dresser or a Yamaha R1 or both, sharing the spaces with my bike.

Just thought I'd like to share a success story with you!
Russ Locke

Hi Russ,
I appreciate your support for rtw day. Have you noticed on the rtw website that we have artwork for printing a small business (size) card that can be handed out and used to explain rtw day to others? It is designed for both rid-ers and non-riders.

Bill Todd wrote: To whom it may concern,
I work for the Federal Government in a building with 150 people. We have our own parking lot that is isolated just for our employees. Can you tell me or do you have a recommendation on WHY there should be Motorcycle parking made available at my building.

Is there a resource document or maybe a federal stature that mandates the need for providing optinal Motorcycle parking?

Any information on this subject would be helpful prior to my going to our Building Management and recommending that they provide for motorcycle parking.

Thank you.
Bill Todd
PS. I'm printing out the RIDE to WORK day poster and taking it with me when I present my request for motorcycle parking.

Hi Bill,
Thanks for your message and questions. There is no law, document or any-thing official that mandates the need for dedicated motorcycle parking. But lot's of common sense logic indicates that there should be. You can find some useful materials to present to the parking administrator in the Daily Rider newsletter, which can be downloaded as a .pdf from the RTW website.

Let me know how it goes with your request and if it is helpful we will share it with others.
I appreciate your support for RTW day. Andy

'M. Conens' wrote: Andy,
I put this together last night. If it needs any condensing or editing, please make any appropriate changes. If you have any questions, please let me know. Hope it helps.
Matt Conens
Medford, OR (former California rider)

I didn't set out to change the world or even parking regulations in San Jose, CA. But I did end up helping other motorcyclists when I got a parking ticket on San Fernando Street in San Jose. The motorcycle parking spots on the street, which I thought did not have time restrictions, did. I learned that les-son when I got out of my class at San Jose State University and saw the tick-et wedged underneath my seat. "That's ridiculous," I thought to myself. "There's never a shortage of motorcycle spaces... so why are they restricted?"

When I got home I called City Hall and was eventually routed to an engineer in the Public Works Department. I asked him questions about the distance between the parking restriction signs, the height of the signs, how often the stripes are repainted, etc. Anything that I thought could help me beat the tick-et in traffic court. As we were wrapping up the Q and A, I mentioned to him that having time limits on motorcycle spaces didn1t make much sense as, usu-ally, there were plenty of motorcycle spaces. I pointed out a few things I noticed from my years of parking my motorcycle at the University. There are an adequate number of motorcycle parking spaces on the public streets. There is a shortage of automobile parking spaces on the street The purpose of time restrictions is to encourage people to park only a short period of time, so other motorists will be able to use a given parking space. What if there aren't any other motorists to use that empty spot? In that case, a motorist has left a spot for no reason. Time limits would encourage motorcyclists to simply push their bike out from one slot and into the adjoining empty space. That would not help vehicle parking one bit, and would only cause traffic problems as a motor-cycle was wheeled into traffic and then back against the curb. Four motorcy-cles could easily park in the space of one automobile space (parking perpen-dicular to the curb), therefore motorcycles are more efficient when it comes to parking. Motorcycle spaces are very valuable, as they free up the very rare automobile parking spaces. A single motorcyclist could, legally, park in a park-ing space that would normally be used by an automobile. I mentioned that in case the City decided there were too many motorcycle spots altogether and decided to eliminate a few. I didn't think it would want to lose automobile spots to motorcycle parking.

The City engineer admitted that no one in his department rode motorcycles. He said he would "take a look at the situation" and we hung up. Since it's a large city and my problem was pretty minor, I didn't give it much thought as I prepared for my case. I took photographs and measurements of "the scene of the crime" to help my presentation. And I began parking my motorcycle on another side of the campus. My testimony in court centered on the fact that there is a utility pole between the motorcycle spots and the time restriction sign that faces traffic... effectively blocking the view when one dismounts their motorcycle. I also mentioned that the City was studying the area to make cer-tain the signs were posted in accordance with its own regulations. The judge agreed with my claims and my ticket was dismissed.

A few weeks later I had to go to a building on the side of campus close to where I got the ticket. Since I was not going to be long, I figured the time restrictions would not be a problem. As I parked I paid close attention to the signs. I noticed that new signs had been installed, entirely eliminating the time restrictions for the motorcycle spots. Having facts to back up my "that's ridicu-lous" thought showed that you can fight City Hall, and make changes when warranted. I was so proud of what I had accomplished that I pointed out the new signs to some of my classmates. Not being motorcyclists, they were not quite as thrilled as I was. I tried pressing the matter even further, contacting my state Representative about doing away with time limits and parking meters for motorcycles, statewide. I eventually got a letter saying, essentially, that there wouldn1t be enough support for such legislation. Oh well.

To: propaganda@ridetowork.org
From: Barry Smith
Subject: Re: The Daily Rider #4
Hi. I didn't subscribe to this but I definitely do NOT want to be removed. Keep 'em coming. The reason I'm writing is to point out the wonderful treatment I received last winter at a parking garage in my local urban core, the Parkade in downtown Spokane, Washington. First, while there was a wait for a monthly auto space, I was allowed a bike space immediately. Second, the price was about 1/ 5th that of an auto space. Third, the motorcycle area is always in full view of both the garage office and the attendants at all times. Fourth, the dis-tance from the farthest reaches of the motorcycle area to being indoors (I'm talking heated, warm, dry) is about 60 feet. Fifth, the motorcycle parking area is well covered and sheltered from the elements. You see, the motorcycle area is near a ramp, and odd-shaped piece of surface that would not hold even a small car (maybe a long triangular one), but it is excellent for motorcycles, the price is right, and we are made to feel like valued patrons. The Spokane Parkade has received my sincere thanks, and my regrets when I had to change work locations to another part of town. They deserve a mention, some decent press, a sincere pat on the back for treating motorcyclists like human beings, which most of us appear to be ;^)
Barry Smith
Spokane WA

Hi Barry,
Thank your for your message which was forwarded to me by my assocate Jean. I'll add your letter to the ones we re collecting for TDR #5. You are right, the manager of this garage needs to be recognized.

Subject: good company From: John Cicha
I ride to work daily, pretty much, er weather permitting(?) 95 days in 2002, 111 days in 2001. This IS Minnesota. My company has installed a concrete island in a sea of blacktop parking lot. It is posted "Motorcycle parking only". There is room for about 8 bikes there, next to the building. See attached photo. I just wanted to mention this. I consider it a great perk, better than free cof-fee! Maybe you can use this photo for your propaganda. The loose rock in the photo is the result of fresh blacktop sealing. It was cleaned off a short time later. The BMW is my bike.
Carpe asphalt,
Best Regards,
John Cicha

From: Jonathan Cross
Subject: Company Parking

I just wanted to send a note to you about my office. I work for the US Postal Service in Kingsport, TN. This year, I approached the Postmaster, Keith Poarch, with my ideas about a designated motorcycle parking area. I was VERY surprised that my plan was accepted and executed. I am pleased to say that we now have an area large enough for three cars that is painted with 'Motorcycles Only' lettering and parking space lines. Kickstand plates were discussed but nothing happened with them. I believe that the latest stance on that subject was that our maintenance dept would install them if we would buy them. Not too bad!

When I went to Mr. Poarch to discuss this subject, we had rarely seen more than two motorcycles on any given day. I argued that if there was a designat-ed space for us, more people would ride to work. I also stated that a spot for 'motorcycles only' would allow customers to also use the area. So, we got the space that we needed in the location that I wanted. We can be found at the end of the customer's parking lot, right near the employee's entrance. Here we have the absolute closest parking spaces, even closer to the door than the Postmaster himself! Not only that, there is almost no foot traf-fic going past our bikes. Just some of the employees and very few customers who come to the back door. We feel pretty secure with our new parking even though it isn't fenced or covered. Some of us use a bike cover for extra secu-rity. I use my cover every day.

It took a couple of weeks before the new parking started living up to its poten-tial. I was actually worried that it's lack of use was going to get it taken away. Then one day I was greeted by eight other riders! We only have 50 or 60 employees at this branch office so I was thrilled by the turn out. Now we usu-ally have at least 3 bikes every day.

We posted a notice about RTW this year and wouldn't you know it but it fell on my off day! But anyway, I want to let you know that I appreciate what you are doing for motorcyclists and bikers everywhere (there is a difference between the two, at least to me). I've got my eye on a few of your products, too.

Thanks for your hard work.
Jonathan Cross
'00 Kawasaki Concours
Concours Owners Group #4402

Hi Johnathan,
Thank you for your message which was forwarded to me by my associate Jean. Forgive me for taking so long to reply. Your experience is a true inspira-tion for riders and a credit to your Postmaster. At some point, perhaps on the one year anniversary of the parking area's designation, you and the other rid-ers there might take up a collection and present him (and everyone in the lunchroom) with a personalized 'thank you' cake from the local bakery. Make sure it is large enough to feed everyone. Who knows, a couple of years from now the postal service might even erect an open roof/ cover over the designat-ed parking area. Then there would be about 25 fewer cars on the roads there every day and lot more happy, alert postal workers.

Don Martin wrote:

Not sure where to send this, hopefully it gets to the right place: 1) The other day I had to park in public parking. When I entered I asked for Motorcycle parking and was told to "park over there where there are narrower stalls (which I did)". Upon leaving, I asked what the Motorcycle rate was and was told I took up a spot like everyone else -full price. I then explained that I didn't and other bikes could park in the same spot I did, at least 3. The parking attend knocked $2.50 of the price (about 38%). He didn't have to but took it upon his own to do this (and would probably catch crap from his boss if it were known). So, thanks to the Parking Attendant AND, for other Bikers, it doesn't hurt to ask and educate at the same time.

2) Is there any way that I can get large posters sent to me to put up around at least the office building I work in for RideToWork2003?
Don Martin
Calgary, AB Canada

Hi Don,
Thanks for your message, comments and encouragement. You can download a .pdf version of the 2003 Ride to Work Day poster from the Ride to Work web-site which is at <www. ridetowork. org and any insty-printer place should be able to print them any size you need. Or you can print them on 8.5" x 11" paper, which is good on many company bulletin boards.

Richard Meyers wrote:

Regarding this years RTW july 16; i would love to participate except for the problem that i work in manhattan N. Y. C. where motorcyclists are discriminat-ed against by parking lots and garages. maybe the NYC Dept. of Consumer Affairs doesn, t think that motorcycles are licensed vehicles also. HELP

Hi Richard,
Thanks for your message and comments. Motorcyclist _are_ discriminated against by parking lots and garages, and by most agencies like the NYC dept of Consumer Affairs. Ride to Work Day is an important way to demonstrate that motorcycling for transportation is a social good. It is never easy or simple to build this recognition. Many years of incremental and individual efforts are required to make progress. RTW day is a grass roots event. If you want non-riding landlords, garage managers and others with whom you interact to pro-vide better recognition and accommodations, then it is up to you to lobby and work with them.

All of the RTW Daily Rider newsletters are available as .pdf files for down-loading at <www. ridetowork. org> and some of them contain things about transportation motorcycling that might help you to arrange parking for your bike on RTW Day this year... even if only as a one-time demonstration of how practical it might be. Trying anywhere is important. It is impossible to know where it might eventually lead.

I am sorry not to be more directly helpful. There might be some NYC Manhattan parking info at <http:// www. magpie. com/ nycmoto/ but I am not sure. Ride to Work Day will continue to grow as a demonstration of the posi-tive social value of riding. I would like to learn if you are able to participate in this year's 12th annual RTW Day.


Pete Brisette wrote:

I ride to work from up state new york to manhattan frequently (2-4 times weekly) to work however I find it difficult if not impossible at times to park my ride. Is there a list of places for free or pay a reasonable amount to park in manhat-tan? that I can find? thanks for your help. if I did I would ride to work almost all week except snow days! thanks again
Pete Brisette

Hi Pete,
Thanks for your message and interest in the Ride to Work Day event. One of the reasons for Ride to Work Day is to help raise awareness about park-ing issues like you are experiencing. I do not have any information to help you yet, but in the future we hope to be able to develop guides for several of the larger metro areas (NYC, Chicago, Boston, Washington, etc...) that will include parking information. I know that there are a number of good NYC rider's websites, but one where you might find something useful is <http:// www. magpie. com/ nycmoto/> This server also has a mailing list that is about NYC motorcycling, and the operator, Steve Manes, is a good guy. Posting to this list might give you some good parking information.

From: Steve Manes
Subject: Re: Ride To Work
CC: Pete Brisette

Andy and Pete,
Attempts have been made in the past to create a NYC motorcycle parking guide. Mark Bergman began the effort with his http:// www. panix. com/~ bergman/ bike_ park_ nyc. shtml site, which is woefully out of date. Mark hasn't lived in NYC for a few years so I don't anticipate that it will be updated any time soon.

A couple of years ago, I began one of my many unfinished projects: a Java based interactive visual database that web users could use to inform other rid-ers about legal and quasi-legal motorcycle parking areas around Manhattan. That alpha software is still online at http:// www. magpie. com/ nycmoto/ park-ing/. I'd like to finish it some day but the problem was finding a license-free, public domain map of Manhattan that also had the detail I wanted.

Motorcycle parking areas in NYC have been under assault by the Giuliani administration almost from the moment he took office and we got a flaming meatball named Christopher Lynn for transportation commish. He began what could only described as a jihad against all the traditional public motorcycle parking areas around the city, most of which have been taken for granted by riders since the late 60s. In some cases, bikes were towed en masse with little and sometimes no warning. Some of these areas still exist, unused by anything else but windblown newspapers and pigeon poop. Periodically, motorcyclists test the waters by parking their bikes in those areas again but the city eventu-ally cracks the whip.

It's a real shame. Aggravating this is the increasing number of commercial garages which refuse to allow motorcycles, period, and many of those that do charge as much as a car. I thought I'd found a real deal a couple of years ago when I located a garage three blocks from my midtown office that charged me "only" $200/ month for day parking. I was lucky to even get that gig because I was an hour late to a lunch interview with my prospective boss because I couldn't find a midtown garage willing to take my bike. I wound up parking it 15 blocks away in one of the few remaining, and now closed, motorcycle park-ing areas in Chelsea.

A few years ago, I tried to enlist the help of NYC's activist "Transportation Alternatives" group with this. I figured that since so many motorcyclists are also active bicyclists and motorcycles are regarded in most other countries as environmentally preferable to cars that TA would welcome us. But TA is unfor-tunately a dogmatically driven group of self-defeatist wankers who oppose any sort of motorized transport. The attitude I got from its president was that they'd rather go down in flames supporting roller bladers and weekend bicy-clists than align itself with several thousand people who ride loud, smelly motorcycles.

Much of this is because of the public's perception of bikers. While there have been a couple of nice stories about motorcyclists in the Times and on TV (although it's usually the same old "Born to be Mild" stuff that could have been produced by HDI's press office), in general the NY press gets a chubby over anti-motorcycle stories. I got a call last week from a NY Post reporter who wanted me to help him with a story on "Ninja motorcyclists". As if. It's stuff like that which educates the public about us --not as commuters helping to ease the traffic congestion problem and offseting in part the silly SUV mania that's made the parking problems even worse. It's equally unfortunate that so many clueless bikers play into the public's negative stereotype about motor-cyclists, blasting down residential streets with loud pipes and pulling kamikaze passes in heavy traffic, ignorant of the fact that the guy he wakes up at 2am or the lady he just strafed might be the council swing vote we need to make this a more motorcycle friendly town.

Sorry for the long-winded rant but I CC'd this to the NYC Motorcyclists list and had to defeat the content vs. quoted text quota in the software. Pete, if you need more info, subscribe to the list and post a question there. There are over 400 local riders on it. See http:// www. magpie. com/ nycmoto/ subscrib. html for more info.
Steve Manes

Subject: Ride to Work
To: propaganda@ridetowork.org
From: Rall81@cs.com
I work at a small manufacturing plant in Warrington, PA. We asked for and got parking spaces for "Motorcycle Parking Only". See attached picture. We ride just about all the time and our daily trip ranges from 25 to 125 miles round trip.
Bob Allison